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I will convert to Islam . .
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If - you prove me wrong!

 

J. C. sent us this email and he said:

"I have this theory . . The angel revealed the Koran to Mohammed in a cave, right?
The Bible says the devil comes in the form of a shining angel, right?

So the "angel" was really the "devil" - right?

Then the Koran says - "
No doubt" - But my theory has some doubt in it.

So, if you prove my theory wrong, then I promise I will covert to Islam"
signed, J. C.

OK, thank you for the reassurance, you would like to become a Muslim - if you find the truth - and you even promised. Very good, James, very good.

But first, please understand that we are not playing games with words or theories or anything else - to gain converts to Islam.
If anyone wants to be in "submission to Allah in sincere peace" (the meaning of "Islam") then that has to be between them and the Almighty God.

So, this is something you must do in your heart and not to show off or because you loose a debate. With that subject taken care of we can now proceed to your "doubt".


 

Oh, by the way James, here is a question for you,

"Where did you read, 'the devil comes in form of shinning light?;"
And where did you read the angel came to Muhammad, peace be upon him, as a shinning light? 
Read the Acts of the Apostles in the Bible, chapter 9, verse 1 to 8 - and you will find it is Paul who is visited by a flashing or blazing light on the road to Damscus - and the flashing/blazing light speaks to Paul and says, "I am Jesus.."

The Quran says the devils are made from smokeless fire and the angels are made from light (not shinning light) and where does it say devils come as a shinning light?

Answer: The Bible (Book of Acts, chapter 9, verse 1 to 8) says:

1Meanwhile, Saul was still breathing out murderous threats against the Lord's disciples. He went to the high priest 2and asked him for letters to the synagogues in Damascus, so that if he found any there who belonged to the Way, whether men or women, he might take them as prisoners to Jerusalem. 3As he neared Damascus on his journey, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him. 4He fell to the ground and heard a voice say to him, "Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me?"

5"Who are you, Lord?" Saul asked.

"I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting," he replied. 6"Now get up and go into the city, and you will be told what you must do."

7The men traveling with Saul stood there speechless; they heard the sound but did not see anyone. 8Saul got up from the ground, but when he opened his eyes he could see nothing.

We see Saul (later changed his name to Paul) saw a shinning light on the road to Damascus that claimed to be Jesus, but he didn't see anything except the light and no one else saw it but they heard (but in another chapter he said everyone heard and saw it). Read chapter 26, verse 9 to 15:

9"I too was convinced that I ought to do all that was possible to oppose the name of Jesus of Nazareth. 10And that is just what I did in Jerusalem. On the authority of the chief priests I put many of the saints in prison, and when they were put to death, I cast my vote against them. 11Many a time I went from one synagogue to another to have them punished, and I tried to force them to blaspheme. In my obsession against them, I even went to foreign cities to persecute them.

12"On one of these journeys I was going to Damascus with the authority and commission of the chief priests. 13About noon, O king, as I was on the road, I saw a light from heaven, brighter than the sun, blazing around me and my companions. 14We all fell to the ground, and I heard a voice saying to me in Aramaic,[a] 'Saul, Saul, why do you persecute me? It is hard for you to kick against the goads.'

15"Then I asked, 'Who are you, Lord?'

" 'I am Jesus, whom you are persecuting,' the Lord replied.

So, we see it is your book, the Bible that has these statements concerning people being deceived by shinning lights speaking to them. Obviously, he couldn't even get the story straight because he told it at least two different ways as we have seen above.

Also here is a very important question for anyone, "How are babies when they are born?" Are they evil? Are they sinful? Or are they innocent?

Another question - Did Jesus, peace be upon him, teach people to let the children to come unto him, such is the kingdom of heaven? -

Muhammad, peace be upon him, taught that children are all born innocent and regardless of the religion of the parents, a child goes to heaven when he or she dies, because this is the nature of a child - to be in the right way with God (as a Muslim) - the word "Islam" means to do what God wants you to do on His terms and obey His Commandments.

Did Jesus order people to keep the Commandments of God? Or to relax and don't worry about it?

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Paul taught people that he was "dead to the Law (Old Testament) and the Law was dead to him" he even said, "If it were not for the Law, I wouldn't sin, but because of the Law, I sin."

 

You have some very good ideas and I can see you are a thinker. It is nice to correspond with someone who is not being blinded by the media or people asking them to accept things without proof. Truly, this is a good chance for both you and I.
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Now as to your comments, did you know the Quran still exists just as it was revealed? The word "Quran" means "that which is being recited" or "that which is recited". The word "bible" comes from the old Greek (Koine Greek) word "biblios" and it simply means "book".
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Did you also know, we do not even have a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of a copy of any manuscript (or recitation) from anything that existed at the time of Jesus? (And naturally nothing from prophets prior to his time)?
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This has been known to me for many decades. Today on the best seller list at Barnes and Noble and Borders Books and Music as well as Amazon Books, you can find a number of books authored by the Bible scholar, Bart Ehran: "Misquoting Jesus"; "Lost Christianities" & others. You can also "google" his name and find more as well.
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As regards the Old Testament of the Bible, the Jewish scholars agree they also do not have anything from even 12 centuries ago, other than the Dead Sea Scrolls and they are certain these are not from the time of the actual authors because these are also only copies of copies of copies of copies of copies - and with many mistakes, errors and additions and deletions. See: "Who Wrote the Bible" by Richard Elliott Friedman.
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Now of course as thinking individuals, we would never accept copies of copies of copies of copies of copies of copies - that were hundreds of years away from the authors - over something that we know is exactly preserved just as it was revealed, would we?
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No of course not. There is no doubt about the authenticity of the Quran - when it comes to the Muslim scholars. There is total proof - AGAINST - the Bible from the Bible scholars; none of them claim they know exactly what it might have said. NONE OF THEM.
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So, we have 100% of the Muslim scholars who memorize the entire Quran in the original language (Arabic) and none of the Bible scholars can even agree on what the Bible was originally. And you said you are going to accept what has the proof and you are not accepting what has the doubt.
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James, there is only one thing about the Bible you can say, without any doubt at all - IT IS NOT THE ORIGINAL - and it cannot be reconstructed with any certainty.
Need more proof, James? Of course you do. It took me months to admit the truth and I already had known these things since I was a teenager.
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Here you are, James, pages and pages of facts and proof:
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More? OK:
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"Who Wrote the Bible" (mentioned above); "Bible, Quran & Science" by Dr. Maurice Baucille; "Misquoting Jesus" (above); "Lost Christianities" (above); "Lost Years of Jesus Revealed" (Barnes and Noble - you have to order from used books, but they have it),.
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More? OK, here we go:
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Science today has come to the conclusion that there is some kind of "Intelligent Design" out there. The evolution theory of Darwin is falling in the toilet. So, let's look to what the Quran said about science - 1,400 years ago and see if it falls in line with what we know today, ok?
Be sure to watch the nine videos on this site where all (100%) of the scientists admitted the Quran was absolutely correct on what it said in science - and the last one, number nine (9) accepted the truth and said his statement of faith in the middle of the video about 2 and half minutes into it.
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Now, let's talk about Jesus, peace be upon him. Did you know, Muslims were ordered to respect Jesus, peace be upon him, by saying "peace be upon him"? We do. The same is true for all of the prophets of Allah.
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Did you know we believe that the mother of Jesus is the very best woman ever created by Allah? (it is in the Quran)
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Jesus, peace be upon him, is going to return in the Last Days. Do some Christians accept this as a fact? All Muslims have to accept is as a fact - OR ELSE THEY ARE NOT MUSLIMS.
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Want to talk about "love"? Muslims have to love the prophets, peace be upon them, more than they love their own families, wealth and even themselves - this was the case for Muhammad, peace be upon him and he loved these great prophets, peace be upon them - and he ordered his followers not to make distinctions between these great and wonderful men of God.
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Muhammad, peace be upon him was well known for each and every thing he said, or did without exception.
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There is nothing hidden about him - do you want to know the real truth about him? Of course you do, because you said so in your email to me.
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Here is what I have found out for myself about this great man:
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Well, James I know you have a lot of reading to do now and certainly you are going to want to pray to Allah (God) and ask Him to guide you and to help you find the truth and to protect you from any evil and keep you away from the devil. I know. Because that is the prayer that I made 17 years ago, when I was trying to convert a Muslim to Christianity.
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I didn't think I would be a Muslim - never. But then I began to really learn, study, pray and think. I had to think for myself without other people telling me how to think and how to just "have faith."
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James, last thing - what did Jesus teach his people, according to your "theory"?
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Did he teach people to do whatever they like and don't worry about it, because he would step in and save them on the Day of Judgment?
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Or did he teach them to love God with all their minds and all their strenghth and all their hearts and to obey the commandments?
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Did he tell them to follow the commandments or break them?
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Did he tell people to pray to God like he prayed to God? Or did he tell the to call him "Lord" and pray to him?
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What you have -  that you think is the Bible, says, Jesus told the people when they come on the Day of Judgment calling him "Lord, Lord" - he will say to them, "get thee from me - I never knew you".
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Did Jesus come to break the Law? (Old testament) or to "fulfill the Law" (read Matt. 5:17)  Depending on which translation you might have, here is more or less the wording:
"Think not that I have come to destroy the Law and the Prophets. I have not come to destroy, but rather to fulfill, and not until all things be accomplished in heaven and earth, shall a single dot (other translations also use the words: jot, tittle, iota. Choose whatever you like - obviously, someone has changed something here) be in any wise lessened. And whosoever breaks the least commandment and teaches thus, shall be the least in the kingdom. But whosoever keeps the commandments and teaches thus shall be the greatest in the kingdom."
James, did you notice how important the commandments are to Jesus, peace be upon him?
Shall we take a look at the "Law" (Old Testament Law or Torah in Hebrew) and see what it actually says?
Deuteronomy 6 (King James Version)
1 Now these are the commandments, the statutes, and the judgments, which the LORD your God commanded to teach you, that ye might do them in the land whither ye go to possess it:
2 That thou mightest fear the LORD thy God, to keep all his statutes and his commandments, which I command thee, thou, and thy son, and thy son's son, all the days of thy life; and that thy days may be prolonged.
3 Hear therefore, O Israel, and observe to do it; that it may be well with thee, and that ye may increase mightily, as the LORD God of thy fathers hath promised thee, in the land that floweth with milk and honey.
4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
5 And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might.
6 And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart:
7 And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up.
James, do the people today teach their children diligently there is no other "god" to worship, except the One True God? (you and I both know the answer to this one, don't we?)
And continuing in the same chapter (6), verses 12-15:

12 Then beware lest thou forget the LORD, which brought thee forth out of the land of Egypt, from the house of bondage.
13 Thou shalt fear the LORD thy God, and serve him, and shalt swear by his name.
14 Ye shall not go after other gods, of the gods of the people which are round about you;
15 (For the LORD thy God is a jealous God among you) lest the anger of the LORD thy God be kindled against thee, and destroy thee from off the face of the earth.

Do you know what Jesus said was the greatest commandment of all? Let's see what he said when someone asked him, "What is the greatest commandment?"
Mark 12:28-31 (King James Version)
28 And one of the scribes came, and having heard them reasoning together, and perceiving that he had answered them well, asked him, Which is the first commandment of all?
29 And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is:
Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord,
30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
31 And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
James, this is from your books, the Old Testament and the New Testament.
Muhammad, peace be upon him, came with nothing new at all. He came with the Last and the Final Testament of Almighty God (Allah); it is the Quran (Recitation). And it is preserved exactly as it was revealed, in the Arabic language.
Here is the link for you to read (or listen): www.AllahsQuran.com
O.K. James -  it is time now-
Time for me to go -
Time for you to pray -
Time is all we have, James.
Use it wisely.
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I pray to Allah to guide you - before it is too late.
Oh yes, and remember your promise James - we are waiting to hear your shahadah (testimony of faith).
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Peace brother,
Yusuf Estes




Comments   

#2 Sohail 2011-02-01 17:05
Best answer I ever read to a common question from West, Allah bless you.
#1 Farhan 2011-02-01 06:38
Masha Allah !!! Comprehensive answer... May Allah guide us all to his chosen way - ISLAM - Aameen...

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